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Wednesday, 05 October 2005

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thess

ouch! a bit of wasted money there..but you'll never know until you tried, right? lesson learned i guess.
re: ingredients..i hate it when restaurants (or cooks) cheat on the clients and not deliver what they're supposed to.

Rachel

Hi Kirk, you seemd to give it a very fair review anyway. Sorry your niu rou mein wasn't what you expected. Always a bit dissapointing when that happens. Ahh well, at least you know not go to back there again. And you've had plenty of good eats elsewhere ! :)

Kirk

Hi Thess - You're right, that my mantra, you never know until you try! The dumplings weren't bad - but not worth almost 7 dollars, and the soup was terrible!

Hi Rachel - You know I wouldn't even call this niu rou mein. But as Thess said, you nevern know until you've tried.

Jo

Kirk, out of curiosity, how bad would a place have to be for you to get up and walk out after having been served?

milgwimper

Ack too bad most everything was bad there, except the kimchi. You never know till you try and find out for yourself.

Jo,

I have never walked out unless it was really bad. I mean bugs in the soup etc. Although I guess I have tried to get a discount or not having to pay, but not just walk out of the restaurant.

milgwimper

Jo,

Walking away when you got served, and not paying you are on slippery ground of Defrauding an innkeeper. Therefore I rather talk to them about it then just walk out and possibly involve the law. Although you would most likely be right in the situation it is better to "talk" it out then having to deal with that mess.

mabel

I happen to really like San Tong Palace! I go there for all the Korean-Chinese dishes like chajang (jjajang) myun and sweet & sour pork (w/ brown sauce, korean style). I've never had any of their straight up Chinese dishes, since I always considered it more of a Korean establishment.

lance

That's too bad about the Niu Rou Mein. Sure would have gone good with the kim chee. The broth looks so rich. Like you said, the picture can be deceiving. BTW, what makes a good Niu Rou Mein broth so dark and rich in flavor? Dark shoyu? Know of any good Oahu restraurant that has a good one? I sure would like to try it.

Dylan

Kirk, you're right. Shantong province is right next to Korea. My relatives are from Shantong and they look Korean. As do i. But I'm cantonese.

i was always intrigued by the whole korean-chinese restaurant gig. Like Mabel said... they serve a ja jang myeon which is basically asian spaghetti with brown sauce. Chinese have the same thing and it's called "ja jiang mian". There's also a hot and sour beef noodle soup called Jaam Bong, which is similar to the chinese "chao ma mian".

Sorry you had a bad NRM. like you said, it's a hit or miss. i'm having a really hard time in SGV finding the best NRM.

Kirk

Hi Jo - There are three things that would make me walk out of a restaurant. Rude/Racist/Terrible service - the service here was good. Unsanitary conditions, as you can see, this is a well lite and clean restaurant. Food that is grossly bad, or in a condition that is inedible, food here looks fine and is edible. Once I sit down 99.9% of the time I've committed myself to having my meal.

Hi Mills - I've only walked out of a restaurant twice in my life - both times for terrible service, and both times before we even placed our order.

Hi Mabel - This was the third time I've eaten here, and the only reason I actually went, was that I was told (and I don't even remember who made the recommendation)that the Niu Rou Mein was good here, which in my opinion it wasn't. Actually, I enjoy the Chinese version of Jajiang Mein more than the Korean jjajang mein, it's a personal preference. The dumplings weren't bad, and I'm sure some would like them, but i'm pretty picky about dumplings. I'm sure people enjoy San Tong Palace, they've been in business a while, but i'm not one of them. If you enjoy Chinese-Korean style food you probably enjoy Lucky House as well. I've been to a few Sino-Chinese places back home in Hawaii, and have enjoyed them as well.

Hi Lance - It is the soy sauce. I'll be making two versions in the future, one from a "base" that I purchase, and another from a recipe that I received that I need to get permission to reproduce before I post. I never had Niu Rou Mein until I moved to the mainland - maybe Reid from Ono Kine Grindz can help you out?

Hi Dylan - It's pretty funny, the soup broth for Niu Rou Mein in every restaurant I go to varies wildly from day to day, so I just go with the one that's the most consistent. I'm intrigued by the Food History of the Sino-Chinese food.


lance

Great!!!! Will be looking forward to your next two posting on Niu Rou Mein, especially the homemade one. I hope your friend will give permission to share the recipe. BTW, it's understandable that you're picky about dumplings, especially since you get great homemade Shandong ones.

Kirk

Hi Lance - Will be few weeks; I've got a backlog, but hang in there, and I'll get to it! Thanks.

Dylan

kirk, when are you gonna make your NRM? i'll do mine too! and we'll post at the same time.

Kirk

Hi Dylan - Let me check my schedule and I'll email you, ok?

milgwimper

Kirk,

I agree I have walked out of several restaurants before I have ordered any food, for various things. But I do not think I have walked out when I received my meal...Well except once when it was very unsanitary. I am so sorry the noodles were terrible, but I will be keeping an eye out for the post with your recipe. :)

Jo

I've never walked out after recieving food. I have walked out after ordering though. Always because of service.

As for a "rich brown" color. I've discovered that a tiny bit of tomato, either catsup, paste, or peeled/seeded/chopped fresh is invaluable for both flavor and color. Only a tablespoon or so, not enough to make the flavor "recognizeable" in the dish. If using fresh, I will reduce the pulp a bit if I need something "drier". I made a "sorta" pizza last night and for the tomato sauce I put the seeds & juice in a skillet and cooked over medium heat till it was almost dry stirring frequently. Then I added the pulp and a few slivers of the onion that was going into the topping mixture, a bit of salt & a bit of pepper. I cooked that until it started to create a "leather" around the edge. It was perfect consistancy & gave the pizza a fresh, sweet/acid flavor that melded perfectly with the bread and toppings.

Kirk

Hi Mills - Actually the noodles were ok, everything else, the soup, meat, etc...were not good.

Hi Jo - Believe me it's not tomato paste - even though the Chinese first discovered the use of tomatoes in cooking!

Kirk

If you believe that I've got some beachfront propery in Nebraska.....

milgwimper

Kirk,

LOL Well ok thye broth, and meat were terrible. Sorry my mistake. :D I saw your post and had to have noodles again. Man I have been eating noodles pretty much 3-4 meals already.

Rachel

Mmmm noodles !! I think I will have some tonight in a spicy soup with meat and chive dumplings *drool*

I agree with milly, I don't think I have walked out after a meal has been served but defintely before anyone has taken our order. Even once when nothing on the menu looked good at all. We apologised and went out (they didn't post any menus in the front of the shop) and anyway they didn't even give us any water or tea. I didn't even walk out when once, a cockroach ran out from a plate of salad !!! I caught it under a plate and asked the waiter to come and get it. He just said that "oh it happens this time of the year" No apologees or anything ! I just paid up and left. Nevermore !

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